[ptt-users] TM 5.1 RC 2: editing buffer stops responding

Tue Feb 26 07:14:19 PST 2008

Hi Lars:

Thanks for the Java version info. I don't see anything wrong in your  
set-up that could be causing the freeze. I wish I had better news for  
you. I see us moving away from the current editor (j) and towards a  
Web-Form editor for working with scripts. The Eclipse plug-in is more  
of our direction.

I set-up a Trac account for you:

id: lars
password: melars

I tend to use the following URL for a grouping of bugs by version  
number:
http://bugs.pushtotest.com/query? 
groupdesc=1&group=version&order=priority

Thanks for your support!

-Frank

On Feb 26, 2008, at 12:48 AM, Lars Huttar wrote:

> Hello Frank,
>
> OK, the Java version that comes up from the command line is
> java version "1.6.0_02"
> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_02-b06)
> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.6.0_02-b06, mixed mode)
>
> Thanks, I would appreciate having a bug tracker account.
>
> Lars
>
>
>> Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:06:44 -0500 (EST)
>>
>> Hi Lars:
>>
>> You can tell which Java you are using by running "java -version"  
>> from  the command-line.
>>
>> Thanks for the usability improvements. Your ideas are very good.  
>> I  opened a new ticket to track the improvements at http://  
>> bugs.pushtotest.com/ticket/212. I would be happy to give you an   
>> account to add your own enhancement/bug requests.
>>
>> -Frank
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Lars Huttar wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Frank,
>>> Thanks for your reply.
>>>
>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP2.
>>> Java version: I'm not really sure! I have more several versions   
>>> installed, from 1.4.2_12 to 1.6.0_02. Is there an easy way to  
>>> tell  which one TM is using?
>>> Video driver: NVIDIA Quadro NVS 120M, 4/28/2007, 6.14.11.119
>>> Mouse driver: Alps Touch Pad, 10-19-2005, 5.4.104.4
>>>
>>> Since you asked about feedback to improve usability, one thing I   
>>> have noticed in the last few days is this:
>>> There are four "Open" actions available in the main window:
>>> 1- one labeled toolbutton in the upper toolbar
>>> 2- one unlabeled button (with an "Open" tooltip) in the lower  
>>> toolbar
>>> 3- one "Open..." item on the File menu, which is also Ctrl+O
>>> 4- one "Open TestScenario..." item on the File menu.
>>>
>>> The first and last items open a dialog. The second and third  
>>> items  may seem at first to do nothing, but (it took me a while  
>>> to figure  this out) they actually put the keyboard focus into  
>>> the Location  bar, apparently with the idea of navigating around  
>>> by editing the  path and pressing Enter.
>>>
>>> So the main issue is that this is all confusing. It's not  
>>> obvious  to the user which of these "Open" functions are the same  
>>> and which  are different, and what each one does.
>>> - Are 1 and 4 redundant with each other? Will 1 not work for   
>>> opening TestScenarios? Does 4 have any advantage over 1? If they  
>>> do  the same thing, why are there two different menu items?
>>> - Since 2 and 3 do the same thing as each other, but something   
>>> different from 1 and 4, it would be clearer if 2 and 3 were  
>>> labeled  distinctly from 1 and 4. E.g. 2 and 3 might be labeled  
>>> "Browse" or  "Navigate" or something like that.
>>> (Or, either the navigation interface or the file-open dialog  
>>> could  be removed from the UI; they seem redundant with each  
>>> other as far  as I can tell.)
>>>
>>> Another small issue: if you go to the View menu and uncheck   
>>> Toolbar, then go back and check it again, the toolbar you get  
>>> back  is not like the toolbar that was there originally. The  
>>> original one  had about four toolbuttons in the upper row. The  
>>> new toolbar has  only one button in the upper row, labeled  
>>> "PushToTest", which seems  to do nothing.
>>>
>>> One more usability issue:
>>> To create a "new" something, there are two places to do it: the   
>>> toolbar, which offers new load test, new service monitor, and  
>>> new  functional test; and the File / New menu item, which opens  
>>> a  "Create a new test" dialog, which offers four other test  
>>> creation  options.
>>> It's not obvious to the newbie why there are these two separate   
>>> groups, and so I don't necessarily know which group to go to when  
>>> I  want to create a new test.
>>> My analysis, after learning PTT for a while, is that the File/ 
>>> New  dialog is for creating new *unit* tests, while the toolbar  
>>> buttons  create higher-level tests that make use of unit tests.  
>>> Am I right?
>>> If so, it would be helpful to label the two methods that way,  
>>> e.g.  "New Unit Test" vs "New Test Scenario" (is that the right  
>>> term for  functional and load tests and service monitors?)
>>> (Alternatively, they could be collapsed into one group.)
>>> If they are two separate groups, it would be helpful (for  
>>> usability  -- "Don't Make Me Think! [tm] :-) if the two were  
>>> accessed in  parallel ways - i.e. both through the menu, or both  
>>> through  toolbars, or both via both; rather than one via toolbar  
>>> only, and  one via menu only.
>>>
>>> Just my few cents. Probably more than you bargained for.
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Lars
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/22/2008 8:37 AM, Frank Cohen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Lars:
>>>>
>>>> TestMaker uses the J editor and I believe the freezing problem  
>>>> is  located in that module. What is your OS, version of Java,  
>>>> video  driver, mouse driver?
>>>>
>>>> By the way, we are working on major changes to the UI to make  
>>>> it  more user-friendly. (This is WAY over due.) Changing editors  
>>>> is  one of things I have in mind. I would certainly appreciate  
>>>> any  feedback to improve the usability.
>>>>
>>>> -Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 21, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Lars Huttar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm in TM 5.1 now, with buffers open such as C:\src\tm5 
>>>>> \TestMaker \build.xml and C:\Program Files\PushToTest_TestMaker  
>>>>> \example_agents\testgen4web_examples  
>>>>> \PTT_Examples_UnitTest.testgen4web
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem I'm experiencing is that the editing buffer -- the   
>>>>> window that shows the contents of each file -- does not  
>>>>> respond  to keyboard or mouse input.
>>>>> If I click the mouse in that area, the blinking cursor goes to   
>>>>> the start of the buffer. But I cannot move the cursor with  
>>>>> mouse  or keyboard, nor type or delete text, change the  
>>>>> selection, etc.
>>>>> On the other hand, other controls in TM are responsive: the   
>>>>> Location bar is fine, as is the Output window.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I restart TM, the problem goes away.
>>>>> I'm not sure at what point the problem began.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Lars
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> _____________________________
>>
>>
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