[ptt-users] TM 5.1 RC 2: editing buffer stops responding

Lars Huttar lars_huttar at sil.org
Wed Feb 27 15:52:19 PST 2008 

OK.
I got the same behavior again, in case that helps...
It seemed to happen after I used the transformer, which (to my surprise) 
generated files whose base file name was the same as the parent folder 
of where I thought they were going to go. Then I tried to navigate up to 
that folder in JEdit, and it soon froze.
I'll see if I can get a reproducible recipe.

Lars

On 2/26/2008 7:14 AM, Frank Cohen wrote:
> Hi Lars:
>
> Thanks for the Java version info. I don't see anything wrong in your 
> set-up that could be causing the freeze. I wish I had better news for 
> you. I see us moving away from the current editor (j) and towards a 
> Web-Form editor for working with scripts. The Eclipse plug-in is more 
> of our direction.
>
> I set-up a Trac account for you:
>
> id: lars
> password: melars
>
> I tend to use the following URL for a grouping of bugs by version number:
> http://bugs.pushtotest.com/query?groupdesc=1&group=version&order=priority
>
> Thanks for your support!
>
> -Frank
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2008, at 12:48 AM, Lars Huttar wrote:
>
>> Hello Frank,
>>
>> OK, the Java version that comes up from the command line is
>> java version "1.6.0_02"
>> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_02-b06)
>> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.6.0_02-b06, mixed mode)
>>
>> Thanks, I would appreciate having a bug tracker account.
>>
>> Lars
>>
>>
>>> Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:06:44 -0500 (EST)
>>>
>>> Hi Lars:
>>>
>>> You can tell which Java you are using by running "java -version" 
>>> from  the command-line.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the usability improvements. Your ideas are very good. I  
>>> opened a new ticket to track the improvements at http:// 
>>> bugs.pushtotest.com/ticket/212. I would be happy to give you an  
>>> account to add your own enhancement/bug requests.
>>>
>>> -Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 22, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Lars Huttar wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Frank,
>>>> Thanks for your reply.
>>>>
>>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP2.
>>>> Java version: I'm not really sure! I have more several versions  
>>>> installed, from 1.4.2_12 to 1.6.0_02. Is there an easy way to tell  
>>>> which one TM is using?
>>>> Video driver: NVIDIA Quadro NVS 120M, 4/28/2007, 6.14.11.119
>>>> Mouse driver: Alps Touch Pad, 10-19-2005, 5.4.104.4
>>>>
>>>> Since you asked about feedback to improve usability, one thing I  
>>>> have noticed in the last few days is this:
>>>> There are four "Open" actions available in the main window:
>>>> 1- one labeled toolbutton in the upper toolbar
>>>> 2- one unlabeled button (with an "Open" tooltip) in the lower toolbar
>>>> 3- one "Open..." item on the File menu, which is also Ctrl+O
>>>> 4- one "Open TestScenario..." item on the File menu.
>>>>
>>>> The first and last items open a dialog. The second and third items  
>>>> may seem at first to do nothing, but (it took me a while to figure  
>>>> this out) they actually put the keyboard focus into the Location  
>>>> bar, apparently with the idea of navigating around by editing the  
>>>> path and pressing Enter.
>>>>
>>>> So the main issue is that this is all confusing. It's not obvious  
>>>> to the user which of these "Open" functions are the same and which  
>>>> are different, and what each one does.
>>>> - Are 1 and 4 redundant with each other? Will 1 not work for  
>>>> opening TestScenarios? Does 4 have any advantage over 1? If they 
>>>> do  the same thing, why are there two different menu items?
>>>> - Since 2 and 3 do the same thing as each other, but something  
>>>> different from 1 and 4, it would be clearer if 2 and 3 were 
>>>> labeled  distinctly from 1 and 4. E.g. 2 and 3 might be labeled 
>>>> "Browse" or  "Navigate" or something like that.
>>>> (Or, either the navigation interface or the file-open dialog could  
>>>> be removed from the UI; they seem redundant with each other as far  
>>>> as I can tell.)
>>>>
>>>> Another small issue: if you go to the View menu and uncheck  
>>>> Toolbar, then go back and check it again, the toolbar you get back  
>>>> is not like the toolbar that was there originally. The original 
>>>> one  had about four toolbuttons in the upper row. The new toolbar 
>>>> has  only one button in the upper row, labeled "PushToTest", which 
>>>> seems  to do nothing.
>>>>
>>>> One more usability issue:
>>>> To create a "new" something, there are two places to do it: the  
>>>> toolbar, which offers new load test, new service monitor, and new  
>>>> functional test; and the File / New menu item, which opens a  
>>>> "Create a new test" dialog, which offers four other test creation  
>>>> options.
>>>> It's not obvious to the newbie why there are these two separate  
>>>> groups, and so I don't necessarily know which group to go to when 
>>>> I  want to create a new test.
>>>> My analysis, after learning PTT for a while, is that the File/New  
>>>> dialog is for creating new *unit* tests, while the toolbar buttons  
>>>> create higher-level tests that make use of unit tests. Am I right?
>>>> If so, it would be helpful to label the two methods that way, e.g.  
>>>> "New Unit Test" vs "New Test Scenario" (is that the right term for  
>>>> functional and load tests and service monitors?)
>>>> (Alternatively, they could be collapsed into one group.)
>>>> If they are two separate groups, it would be helpful (for 
>>>> usability  -- "Don't Make Me Think! [tm] :-) if the two were 
>>>> accessed in  parallel ways - i.e. both through the menu, or both 
>>>> through  toolbars, or both via both; rather than one via toolbar 
>>>> only, and  one via menu only.
>>>>
>>>> Just my few cents. Probably more than you bargained for.
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> Lars
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/22/2008 8:37 AM, Frank Cohen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Lars:
>>>>>
>>>>> TestMaker uses the J editor and I believe the freezing problem is  
>>>>> located in that module. What is your OS, version of Java, video  
>>>>> driver, mouse driver?
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way, we are working on major changes to the UI to make it  
>>>>> more user-friendly. (This is WAY over due.) Changing editors is  
>>>>> one of things I have in mind. I would certainly appreciate any  
>>>>> feedback to improve the usability.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 21, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Lars Huttar wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm in TM 5.1 now, with buffers open such as C:\src\tm5\TestMaker 
>>>>>> \build.xml and C:\Program Files\PushToTest_TestMaker 
>>>>>> \example_agents\testgen4web_examples 
>>>>>> \PTT_Examples_UnitTest.testgen4web
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem I'm experiencing is that the editing buffer -- the  
>>>>>> window that shows the contents of each file -- does not respond  
>>>>>> to keyboard or mouse input.
>>>>>> If I click the mouse in that area, the blinking cursor goes to  
>>>>>> the start of the buffer. But I cannot move the cursor with mouse  
>>>>>> or keyboard, nor type or delete text, change the selection, etc.
>>>>>> On the other hand, other controls in TM are responsive: the  
>>>>>> Location bar is fine, as is the Output window.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I restart TM, the problem goes away.
>>>>>> I'm not sure at what point the problem began.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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